Managers question Lewinsky

Queries reportedly focus on job search, retrieval of gifts

`She added nothing'

Showdown imminent on dismissal motion, call for witnesses

Trial In The Senate

January 25, 1999|By Jonathan Weisman | Jonathan Weisman,SUN NATIONAL STAFF

WASHINGTON -- On the eve of a showdown in President Clinton's impeachment trial, House prosecutors interviewed Monica Lewinsky in a downtown hotel yesterday afternoon, hoping to extract new information that could rescue their flagging case for the president's removal.

Three House prosecutors -- or managers -- emerged from their two-hour meeting last evening, praising the former White House intern for her poise and intellect, insisting that she would be a useful witness. But her lawyer, Plato Cacheris, immediately splashed cold water on their cause.

"Monica Lewinsky was candid, forthright and extremely truthful," Cacheris told a throng of reporters. But "she added nothing to the record that is already sitting before the Senate right now, and we have urged the House managers to report to their superiors that it is unnecessary to call her as a witness because all of her testimony is fully and completely disclosed."

Cacheris added: "We hope on behalf of Monica and her family that this long nightmare that has endured in their lives will come to a quick conclusion."

The House prosecutors focused on issues at the heart of obstruction of justice allegations against Clinton, a source familiar with the interview said last night. They reportedly included the job search for Lewinsky and retrieval of gifts given to her by the president.

Prosecutors contend that the job search and gift retrieval were undertaken to thwart lawyers for Paula Corbin Jones, who wanted Lewinsky to testify in Jones' sexual misconduct lawsuit against Clinton, and subpoenaed the gifts. The White House denies any connection between the Jones case and the job search and handling of gifts.

Prosecutors will present a slate of potential witnesses to the Senate today, and then square off with White House lawyers on the Senate floor to debate whether the trial should go forward with witness depositions or end immediately with a dismissal of the charges.

A vote on a motion to dismiss by Sen. Robert C. Byrd, a West Virginia Democrat, could come tonight, and bipartisan negotiations for a quick end to the trial resumed yesterday.

To head that off, House prosecutors met with Lewinsky in the stately Mayflower Hotel, under the auspices of independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr. They sat down with Clinton's former political consultant, Dick Morris. And they contacted the lawyer of presidential confidant Vernon Jordan.

They hope to call all three as witnesses in the president's impeachment trial. But Lewinsky is the key to their case.

House prosecutors said they wanted to ask Lewinsky for details about a Dec. 17, 1997, phone conversation in which she and the president allegedly discussed cover stories to hide their relationship. They also hoped Lewinsky would clarify what she meant when she said that nobody asked her to lie about her relationship with the president but that nobody discouraged her, either.

"We want her to confirm, in essence that our interpretation of that is correct and that, indeed, she's going to present this in a way that is at least as clear as it appears in the grand jury testimony," said Rep. Bill McCollum, a Florida Republican.

`Let's close this thing'

But Republican senators hinted strongly yesterday that House prosecutors would have to uncover significant new information to convince a majority of the Senate to call witnesses in a trial that both sides are eager to bring to a close. Indeed, Democrats appear on the verge of gaining enough votes to defeat a motion to call witnesses.

"We've got over 6,000 pages of sworn testimony and everything else. I don't believe we need any more information," said Sen. Richard C. Shelby, an Alabama Republican. "If it's not going to add something to the trial, something that would change the whole dynamics, I say let's move on. Let's close this thing out."

Twenty-one Senate Democrats and Republicans fanned out to the Sunday political talk shows, unanimously predicting that the Byrd motion for dismissal will not garner the 51 votes needed to pass. But if the motion gets anything close to a majority, the president's allies will point to the vote as proof that conviction by two-thirds of the Senate is an impossibility. That will increase the pressure for a deal to forgo witnesses and end the trial quickly, Republicans concede.

"The defining moment, I believe, of the trial will be the Byrd motion to dismiss," Shelby said, "because after that, if he gets 45, if he got 46, 47 votes, the trial is crystallized and we know it -- if we hadn't already known that."

Four Republican senators -- Shelby, Slade Gorton of Washington state, Olympia J. Snowe of Maine and Gordon Smith of Oregon -- expressed reluctance to approve even the deposing of witnesses. If Democrats were to vote as a bloc on the issue, they would need to persuade only two more to join them, and Vermont Republican James M. Jeffords has indicated that he might vote to dismiss the charges.

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